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Jason and Cristina give you an in-depth review and discussion for Game Of Thrones Season 8 Episode 3: The Long Night
Act 1: Suspense, Act 2: Horror, Act 3: Action
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I just listened to your podcast reviewing the lastest Game of Thrones episode.
First off, I love your podcast. It’s definitely the best GOT podcast out there, as it is robust with GOT knowledge and you two do a great job of giving a reasonable and positive take on things. Also, I find both of your voices very soothing for some reason.
As far as the Battle of Winterfell, I absolutely loved the episode. I think it is the best episode of any show I’ve watched, from the cinematography, to the music, to the awesome moments.
I want to comment on the (largely legitimate) criticisms you mentioned in the podcast and possibly offer up some counterpoints.
As far as lore goes, which seemed to be your biggest concern, you stated didn’t think enough time was devoted to explaining about the Night King and Bran. I agree. The show is also not over.
There’s three episodes left (nearly four hours), and while I’m not sure the extent they will go into it, I’m sure they will explain more. There’s clearly something else going on here with Bran and I don’t foresee much of a possibility of them just completely ignoring whatever they have been building towards.
This fight wasn’t the end, and possibly not even the climax of the show, but that remains to be seen.
It’s also worth noting that with the spin-off series in play, they might be saving some of the revelations for that show.
As far as the prophecy goes with the Lord of the Light, Arya could still fit the criteria. With Jon as the king, Arya would be a princess.
But probably more importantly than that, it has been well established that prophecies in this universe are unreliable. I would much rather the show runners go with a better, more sensible story than forcing the fulfillment of a prophecy, which I think we are starting to see them do.
Arya killing the Night King makes the most logical sense. Pure force can’t kill him, only stealth and his own arrogance, and Arya has trained her whole life to be an assassin. Plus, I think a 1v1 sword fight between Jon and the Night King would have been far too predictable to be enjoyable for a show known for subverting expectations. I think the Night King’s death by the hands of Arya is another example of the writers creating a unexpected, yet foreshadowed event, which is something they do brilliantly.
On the Dothraki, they are open-field horseback fighters. They charge fearlessly at their enemy and are nearly unbeatable at that strategy – so much so that it has worked every time it’s been even referenced it in the show. And now you give them flaming swords? Why wouldn’t they charge? I get it wasn’t the best strategy in retrospect, but it makes sense for their army. To put them on the defensive would be to render them ineffective. Also, their defeat was an excellent way to show how royally f****d everyone was.
The one criticism I fully agree with you on, and is really the only gripe I had, was the numerous near-deaths of main characters, followed by their survival. There were so many moments when it seemed like Brienne, Pod, Jaime, Sam, and Tormund, and I think you could even extend this to Greyworm and everyone in the crypts, where they were being swarmed and in impossible situations where they absolutely should have died, but didn’t. If this was only done once or twice, it would have been fine, but doing it so much definitely cheapened some of the tension. Either making them competent enough fighters to not be in those situations, or allowing a few of them to die would have made it better.
With that being said, some of the deaths we did get, like Theon, Jorah, and Lyanna, were some of the best/most epic deaths ever in the show.
I think Theon’s character arc will go down as maybe the best ever in television, with possibly only Jaime rivaling him.
Also, Tormund didn’t die.
Overall, I loved the breakdown. I just wanted to share some of my thoughts on it.
This is such an intense show and I’m excited to see how they end it.
Thank you Joshua! Well written and I like the way your thinking about this! We will read some of your comment on the cast. Thank you for listening!
Another deep dive into the GoT world with this podcast. You two have the best GoT podcast out there and look forward to your analysis after each episode.
A couple of thoughts after your podcast.
I am just as intrigued as Kristina about the conversation between Bran and Tyrion. I hope that the show flashes to it later or Tyrion brings it up. I have read the books and believe that Tyrion is actually the son of the Mad King.
My last thought was about the dagger that killed the Night King. Do you think we’ll find out more about it? It shows up in a book at the Citadel but we never hear it’s origin. Could its past be revealed later and show it to be forged in a similar fashion to Lightbringer?
Take Care and Keep up the great work
Denny
“Ours is the Fury”
Thank you Denny! I hope you are right but I just don’t think they are going back to anything about the WW or the long night or the dagger.
I really believe we are going to have to learn about all of this in the books… if/when they come out.